| 05/20/2025 |
Allan Corns submits new program proposal: Can you please review the attached new advanced certificate proposal? The intent of this will be that this is offered as part of a a dual degree with both Politics and the Sociology PhD programs. Don’t want to preclude the possibility of someone doing this as a stand-alone but that will not be the primary intent. I think some of the text in that regard may need to be changed a bit, but I’m not sure exactly what you will want so I’m leaving what the department did and also including the syllabus for the new course, which has been approved. I’m guessing you may want more elective examples which will be easy enough as the Center for Data Science also is on board with this and will certainly allow these students in their courses. The examples given are just existing Politics and Sociology courses that fit the bill. For the course curriculum I just used the same CIP code as our data science programs since this data science. That number didn’t show on the weblink provided, so please check on that for me to be 100% sure of suitability |
| 05/22/2025 |
CK confirms receipt of submission: Hi Allan, Thanks for sending this proposal and for the context of the intended student for this Adv Cert. We'll be in touch once this has been assigned to a team member. Warmly, Carina |
| 06/05/2025 |
CK completes primary review, pings JS in Asana for secondary review |
| 06/24/2025 |
JS completes review, pings CK in Asana |
| 06/30/2025 |
CK sends proposal feedback to Allan Corns: Hi Allan, Thank you for your patience as we reviewed the submitted proposal materials. We have some feedback on the proposal that needs to be addressed before moving forward with the proposed changes, but it is in fairly good shape. Much of the feedback/guidance on the proposal is related to whether or not the program will be restricted to enrolling PhD Sociology and PhD Politics students. In your submission email you noted that you/program leadership "don't want to preclude the possibility of someone doing this as a stand-alone but that will not be the primary intent." Previous guidance from OAPRA (based on past NYSED guidance) advised against that kind of restriction. However, more recent NYSED feedback has indicated more flexibility on this matter. If GSAS would like to move forward with that restriction on students who can enroll, we do not anticipate that NYSED will flag that as an issue (however, there is always the possibility that they will do so). In the attached proposal document, we have included comments identifying the responses that can remain as written if the program is restricted to those PhD students, or needs revised if open to a wider audience. There are a few additional comments on responses indicating where more information is needed, and some suggested text revisions driving toward clarity and fuller responses. Also attached are two approved Adv Cert program proposals, for your reference and use in updating some of the responses in the current proposal (we have indicated in comments where it might be helpful for you/whomever is preparing this proposal to reference those proposals). Our final piece of feedback is re: the syllabus for the new course. The syllabus did not specify the number of credits or provide any language on the integrity of credit to ensure that instructional time is met. As GSAS proposals have rarely included syllabi following the rollout of the credit hour project, you have not previously had the benefit of receiving our detailed feedback on how to include this level of detail in syllabi. I have added some language to the syllabus to demonstrate these details, based on some implicit and explicit info in the syllabus and elsewhere in the proposal. Please review my suggested revisions to ensure they accurately capture the structure of this course. Please let us know if you have any questions. Warmly, Carina |
| 07/01/2025 |
Allan C asks followup question: So it’s not that the program is restricted to only those students, it’s that those are the two programs a dual degree will be created for. Most dual degree programs with advanced certificates are like this, with only a limited set of PhD programs, so not sure why this would be any different. Perhaps this changes your responses to this? |
| 07/03/2025 |
CK responds to Allan inquiry: Hi Allan, Thanks for seeking clarification. As written, the proposal indicates that this program would be designed for and exclusively available to students in the PhD Sociology and Politics programs. Regardless of intent to create a dual degree with those programs, it would be possible to have this Adv Cert program be registered as a standalone program with those admissions restrictions; in that scenario, those PhD students could still take the Adv Cert, but they would take it on top of their PhD credit load rather than having a credit sharing arrangement, as happens when the dual degree program is set up (wherein they don't need to take any additional credits beyond their PhD credit load in order to receive both the PhD and Adv Cert degrees). In contrast, the sample proposals I shared in my last email for your reference (Adv Cert Experimental Writing and Adv Cert Management and Leadership of Public Service Organizations) are written such that those programs are open to a relatively wide audience, even if in practice they end up only paired with GSAS grad programs as a part of a dual degree. Our guidance on this matter for the current proposal is - if you would like this Adv Cert program to be registered as exclusively available to PhD Politics and PhD Sociology students, then minimal updates need to be made to the proposal. If you would like it to be available to students outside that population, there are certain sections that need updated in order to demonstrate that. Let me know if you have any additional questions on this. Warmly, Carina |